There were only twelve children (laughs). And thanks to God […] and of the medicines of the forest and all the saints of heaven, I created all twelve, because in my brotherhood, twelve were born, six died, and I thought mine would be like that too, but God held, created, everyone is in the middle of the world, everyone alive. So, it was with the help of things from the bush. suffering, it was with suffering because at that time we suffered more than today and then we had to rely on the roots, it was the things of the bush, it was the fruit of the bush, it was those things, so I thank God and Our Lady for all this.